Ehm... BTW... a reason the PS3 will survive is Bluray...

Guess which format was adopted by Hollywood? No it wasn't HD DVD.

Means a lot of money and trust coming from Hollywood for the PS3.

I'm curious to see how all of it will fit into the bigger picture, but I'm fairly certain that the PS3 will have more of a punch than some people are willing to admit.

Doesn't matter much in the end I guess... I'll never buy a console... truth be told if I did it would be a PS, but that's only because of Gran Turismo.

what are you on about hollywood has adopted blu ray ?
the studios are 50/50 at the mo . and it wont be hollywood that makes or breaks the format war beta max had the most studio backing and we all know how that ended up ( sorry derf time to sell your betamax collection vhs won son ) .
its also well publicised that it was the porn industry that was the major influence in the death of beta max and guess what format there first HD movies are in and its not blu ray .

also at the mo sony are having a lot of problems with blu ray as we have seen in the news over the last few weeks . that the fist generation of players wont be able to play duel layer discs and these are $1000 stand alone players what chance has a ps3 got of being able to play these discs with a second rate drive

pc fan boys your in the best position here as you can have what ever drive you like
the 360 fan boys we have allready got a fine well proven format and we can have hd dvd if we want
ps3 mmmmm we will see

You what?......

Hollywood doesnt tell or dictate what format we will be using,the people that go out and buy it are,if Bluray does shit like it is doing and HD does well then thats the way it will go.

Difference is that if you want a X360 your not being forced into buying a HD drive aswell if you dont want one but if you want a PS3 you have to pay extra for a Bluray drive like it or not and since all i have ever read is that Bluray is pants then i reckon Sony have fucked.

Its still to early to tell for sure but my money is on HD all the way.

Oh...? Stepped on some people's toes by spreading the news?

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HAHA,whatever you reckon you fool.
You aint stepped on anybodys toes,just made a complete bullshit statement and we was just letting you know.

Regardless of what any of you think, the HD-DVD players (generic ones, I don't know about the Xbox360 ones) will be released on the 15th of November in Europe, while Bluray will be release only two days later.

All I can say is this: In November, the real war starts.

I have no intention of waiting that long to buy a HD-DVD player as that is what i intend to buy,a mate of mine has the Toshiba player and i think it looks stunning and will definitly be purchasing 1.

Im sure the X360 HD-DVD add on will be good but i've never used a console to play films,would much rather have a stand alone player.

As for a Bluray,i havent heard a single good write up about the format and all who have seen both formats back to back have said HD-DVD wins hands down.

I'll just get a HD-DVD palyer and anything that comes out on Bluray i'll get on standard DVD and upscale it.

As impressive as HD is i do think its stupid that companys are trying to create a format war in the home film market,i dont want to be limited to what films i can buy on whatever format i choose to buy.

Its just another example of a company trying to monopolise a market.

Indeed, there should never have been a format war in the first place, it is only bad for us, the consumers. I am waiting this one out to see if one of the formats drops or decide to merge with the other - if not, I plan to get a combo-drive which can play both formats. I love movies, so I don't intend to miss out on any of them just because one company decides to release a movie just on one of the formats.

Yep it does fuck me off,im a massive film nut but dont intend to have 2 players.

I think Bluray will not be recieved well when its released and available to everyone,people know what DVD is so will easily understand what HD-DVD is but i have loads of mates and people i work with who have all said (what is Bluray i have never heard of that).

I think HD-DVD will be seen by most as a better version of DVD and they will see Bluray as a new format and therefore will be reluctant to adopt it into there homes.

Great way to win an argument. What I said was not bullshit at all, it means the industry is taking sides. Wether you like it or not.

You feel so personally involved with the subject that everybody who disagrees with you or states something that could point to the contrary of your belief is a fool?

Dont feel personally about it at all dude,what you are saying true or not is bullshit.

So what if a film company goes with 1 particular format,when it doesnt sell it wont take them long to drop it,regardless of what format film companys choose standard DVD will be around for ages and all films will be released on standard DVD for a long time to come,so its not like Bluray or HD-DVD will be the only format you can buy films for once a company has decided on the format they wont to go with.

Im pretty certain they have the option to change their minds,that mind change will certainly be swayed by sales figures.

Until both formats are on the market and start to work their way into peoples homes no one can say what will win.

Im supposed to agree with everyone on here then am i?.

Yes i still think your a fool and that has nothing to do with trying to win an argument as you will never win an argument on the internet,just my opinion like it or not.

(this is ducksmuggler)
im saying he is full of bull shit and a fool and yes he should take it personaly .

next time he might read the facts before posting a load of shit

Wii 4 the win!!! :)

Sorry but I disagree, I'm not saying that HD-DVD is the best, just that I dont see myself the need to ever spend such a ridiculous amount JUST to play movies (and that goes for both formats). Who knows how much each disc is going to cost.

If movie companies are going to try and force consumers into a new format just to make more money, their only reinforcing piracy.

If your not into films(and you obvioulsy arent Ninja)then no you aint going to spend a lot of money on a player.

HD-DVD players are around the £400 to £600 price tag but Bluray players are around the £700 to £1000,i know how much each disc is going to cost because you can already buy them.

They range from £5.99 for the likes of Happy Gilmore upto £18.99 for the likes of Unleashed but that is also a combo disc which has the HD version and the standard DVD version in the case.

They mostly range around £13.99 - £15.99 which is the same if not a couple of £ more expensive than standard DVD.

Now obviously i dont know how much they will be when they arrive on the shop shelves in rip-off Britain but to be honest who cares,are there actually any muppets left who still wait for films to come out over here and then pay high street prices.

No one is forcing you to buy anything,like i said standard DVD will be around for years to come.

Its not a new format,HD has been in cinemas for ages,how do you think thay are able to project an image onto a 200ft screen without it looking crappy and blurred,its just that now we have the technology to run HD in our homes so why not have it.

The only problem i can see is that most people wont notice the difference if they have an upscaling DVD player unless you the centre of your setup is a reasonably large screen which HD benefits from,the bigger an image you go the more you will see a difference.