[quote]Kind of thought you have something worth saying there and you go and ruin it all with your admitance to being a fanboy and wanting Bluray to win, still baffles me how people can be fans of a corporation, fans of a band or a singer a movie star i can accept although still dont understand but being a fan of a corporation has no logic what so ever. So if you saw HD and bluray running side by side and you could see for yourself as clear as day that hd was better you would still choose to buy bluray?.[/quote] I've always done well with Playstations and have no plans to get any of the next-gen consoles other than a PS3. It's the same kind of thing with how I don't buy ATI video cards, had too many problems with them in the past and don't want to deal with it. So now I only buy Nvidia, even if an equivilent ATI card would be cheaper. If HD-DVD was dramatically better than blu-ray then things may be different, but as it they are most people notice little difference between the two. So with that, I'd go with blu-ray. Vote with your money

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Microsoft is the biggest player like the previous seller states. Microsoft know the situation with HD-DVD abd are probably thinking that they backed the wrong horse. Microsoft decision to back HD-DVD is due to the xbox 360 being in direct competition to the PS3, if it had been different circumstances Microsoft probably would have went with blu-ray. There have been rumors of Microsoft going to blu-ray and ditching HD-DVD. HD-DVD better than blu-ray? Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the discs just a storage device? Both formats can play all the same codecs (MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) / VC-1 / MPEG-2), the same movie will be on both formats with the same video codec and the same video bitrate. So how are the picture quality on HD-DVD be better than blu-ray? Sounds like a biased fanboy opinion to me. I predict that these blu-ray vs HD-DVD debates won't last as blu-ray will be the next format and we'll forget about HD-DVD. All the top leading brands, movie studios and the analysts are predicting a victory for blu-ray and they know allot more about the market than we do. They simply ask themselves the question, 'which format will have over 100 million players in peoples homes?' HD-DVD won't even reach 10 million, ever. Blu-ray is helping PS3 and PS3 is helping blu-ray, we're not seeing this with 360 and HD-DVD. Even 360 owners are skeptical. The 360 owners are not wanting a dying format and this dying format isn't helping the 360. 360 reach the 10 million shipped mark and its hasn't really budged, it won't be long before the Wii surpasses the 360 in total sales. The 360 isn't showing signs that it will repeat the sales of the xbox.

[quote]Blu Ray is also being pushed alot harder by the megacorps. sony is betting alot on the format. The biggest player in the hddvd camp, microsoft, seems the be a bit less pushy then usual, with not putting the hddvd drive in the elite. Stores like walmart are starting to push the hddvd format just because they can sell those products at the same price, but with a bigger profit margin. Sony asks quite high prices to be allowed to press empty br discs, whilst toshiba seems more reasonable in the patent licences. The production costs of a hddvd are already less than those of a br disc so they are starting to dump players so they can make the profit on the disc, much like with consoles.[/quote] blu-ray is cheaper to produce by the GB. The replication cost for blu-ray is $0.052 - $0.064 per GB and the replication cost for HD-DVD is $0.077 - $0.097 per GB taken from 3 replication plants. Its due to blu-ray have more GB to why the cost is higher but by per GB blu-ray is cheaper. Most movis on HD-DVD are on dual-layer disc making production costs for a movie on HD-DVD DL more expensive than a movie on blu-ray SL. This was on Wikipedia but doesn't seem to be there anymore so I found the info on another site http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-replication-costs-revealed/111/ I like to point out some good points about blu-ray. The production cost don't reflect their retail price. I see that they at the same price point at retail. More can fit on a dual-layer blu-ray than of a dual-layer HD-DVD, so its good for full seasons of programs. There both do the same resolution and same video codecs but the maximum bitrate for video+audio on blu-ray is 48.0 Mbit/s, with HD-DVD its 30.24 Mbit/s. You won't notice the difference anyway. One of my favorite advantages of blu-ray is that every one will have a hardcoating to resist scratches to which it does superbly. Blu-ray assosiation stated that it will resist a wire brush, somewhere on youtube this has been put to the test and it does resist the wire brush. While for HD-DVD the hardcoating is optional very much like the DVD was and like the DVD you probaly won't see it as it adds to production cost. I would rather pay the extra for the hardcoating than have none as these discs scratch easily and would be more expensive in having to buy the movie again.

You can talk sales stats and this that and the other until your blue in the face but the fact is this war is going to go on and on for a while to come and fore every bit of info on sales figures that gets released from one camp the other will come back with something else, we wont know who is going to win until they have won. If the below link is true then they are neck and neck and the war is far from over. http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/783/783545p1.html As for calling me a fanboy because i say i think one format is better than the other did you read what i said, if i was a fanboy of HD then i wouldnt have films on Bluray would i. I have both and personally think from what i have seen that HD is better but thats just my opinion and it doesnt make me a fan of anything, i have a PS3 and X360 but think the X360 is a way better console but that doesnt make me a fanboy of the X360, im guessing that since you dont say im wrong and just chuck fanboy at me that you havent seen both or if you have probably just a passing glimpse so who are to tell me im a fanboy. Fanboyism means you like one thing and only buy that one thing and dismiss all other without even trying or knowing what they are about. On Bluray i have Crank The Guardian The Wicker Man Xmen 3 Invincible Casino Royale Deja Vu The Prestigue On HD i have The Fast and the Furious 2 Fast 2 Furious The Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift Posiedon Fearless The Hitcher Terminator 3 The Land of the Dead Slither Superman Returns The Chronicles of Riddick The Departed Happy Feet Mission Impossible 3 Smokin Aces Also have the Matrix ultimate HD collection on preorder, will be interesting to see how well that sells since it seems to be on most HD film wanting folks most wanted list and it isnt coming to Bluray anytime soon. Pretty sure thats it and from having watched all those i think HD is better, the word fanboy just gets thrown at people by others on this site too often and in most cases where it is irrelevant, it just bugs me that as soon as someone says they either like something or say its better than something else they are called a fanboy. All i know is that i will continue to enjoy HD and Bluray like i have been doing for ages now until this format war is over, talk about what you think is better all you like but if you dont own either or both or have atleast owned them already and seen plenty of films on each format then your in no position to even voice your opinion. Also why are console owners being touted as the people that arent supporting the formats, PS3 owners dont have a choice about buying a Bluray player and saying X360 owners arent sure about HD doesnt mean anything, anyone i know who is mad about films doesnt have a X360HD drive they have a stand alone HD player and all the people i know with Bluray only have it because they have a PS3, most of the X360 owners i know arent really into films that much and this is what this is about, people that are into films.

So you have both formats.Nice but tbh that doesnt mean anything when you check out the 1st qaurter sales of hi def video sales which puts blu ray sales at 70% and hdvd at 30 %. Now dont get to thinking im a fanboy as you put it cos i dont give a damn who wins and btw i dont own either format but i would like to know which to buy in the end up.! http://news.com.com/Blu-ray+besting+its+high-def+DVD+rival/2100-1025_3-6178403.html?tag=nefd.top

Dude i aint calling anyone a fanboy, i was replying to whoever called me a fanboy for saying i prefer HD, like i said these articles just keep cropping up and they tend to fluctuate quite a bit so i dont really pay much notice of them as i have both im not looking to see who wins so that i know what format to buy as i've allready got them. As soon as i had seen HD round a friends house i just had to have it as it blew me away, i then got a PS3 a couple of months back and figured i would check out Bluray as i now had a player so i got Crank which is suppose to be one of the best Bluray discs out there and after having watched a few bluray movies i would agree but i did not think it was as impressive as my HD films, maybe i have gotten a little used to HD films in general so its not as obvious to me as it first was but personaly when i watch a Bluray or HD film i find the HD films to be more impressive but this is all down to personal preference and as mad as it sounds remember we all see with different eyes, everytime one of my mates comes round he tries to piss about with the brightness and contrast on my stuff as he thinks it needs adjusting when im more than happy with the way i see it. Also a big part of high definition picture is to with how big a screen you are running it on, if you run about 32 inch or smaller then the difference between hd and an upscaling player wont be that obvious, hd benefits from big screen. When i fist got my hd player i tried The Fast and the Furious on hd and then tried the regular version through my hd player which does a great job of upscaling and although it did a fantastic job the difference was well evident when i put the hd version back on, this is like i said though on a screen quite a bit larger than a 32 inch screen. If your not that fussed what one is better as far as quality goes and you are just checking to see what format will come out on top then it sound like your not fussed about the picture or sound quality at all and you might aswell just stick with standard definition dvd, dont just buy something because its the latest thing out.

wandy i wouldnt beleive blueray is winning,i think sony have tryd to make it look like it is because theyve invested zillions in it and there ps3 uses it,imagin if hd-dvd won out.........man that wud b funny.i myself will b going with hd-dvd as i can still use my old dvds which ive invested alot in.sony think were muppets and want us to rebuy our entire collections again

You can still play standard DVD's on the PS3 dude, they dont expect you to re-buy your whole film collection but if you would like to get some of your old favourites in high def then you can, HD-DVD has a shed load of old films on it aswell but you dont have to buy them, the only reason i have a couple of older films that i allready owned on HD is because they came free with my player and the choice of films you could have for free was obviously not that big. I got no intention of buying anything but new films on hd apart from some very special older films that i would love to own on hd, The Matrix being one that i have already pre-ordered and cant wait to watch again in glorious hd. Companys will allways want you to buy their stuff, thats a company that sells products one and only purpose for existence, its your choice to buy it or not.