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Manhunt will continue in the tradition of world-class gameplay, incredible production values, and sardonic sense of humor that has become synonymous with Rockstar North. Details surrounding the game remain shrouded in secrecy. To date, Rockstar ...

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Manhunt... the discussion

Posted on Friday, 6 August 2004 by DoubleD, source: Fragland
One of the sites yours truly respects and therefor visits regularly is Gamesindustry.biz - a website that focuses on the business-side of the games industry (hence it's name ;) ). Editor Rob Fahey has written an editorial that carries the title:
Do we really need games like Manhunt?
It is a nice read with a small summary of what has been going on the last couple of days. In the last three paragrafs, he then asks if it is necessary for the games industry to develop such violent games.

He does a brief comparison of Manhunt being like a snuff movie.
Grand Theft Auto is the gaming equivalent of a crime movie; it's violent and explicit, but that violence exists in the context of genuinely good storytelling and gameplay. Manhunt, however, is more like a snuff movie. It's a title which delights in its own violence, which encourages players to commit more and more unpleasant murders, and which focuses its entire gameplay on causing pain and killing in-game characters - and in a gritty, realistic setting no less.
Now, I'm not going into the 'snuff movie' comparison -which all international criminal investigation organisations have formally said do not exist and that they are a so-called 'urban legend'*.

I'd like to broaden his movie comparison and ask the same question: aren't there a lot of violent movies too, were the plot is not much more an excuse to kill and maim ? Forgive me that I do not know any examples or titles**, as they are not my genre of movies, although I have seen a couple when I was way younger :)

This question then brings me to a 'counter-question': why should the developers cut down on the gore ? If there is an (adult) audience for it, then by all means, serve them!

I like to see a team of developers as a bunch of creative minds - and if they choose to "create" an horific, bloodsplattering, pointless violent game... then so be it. Nobody forces anyone to buy the game - not even peer pressure.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is:

FREEEEEDOM !!!



You can read Rob Faheys editorial right here.


* Yes, even the small movie that was spread over the internet where a blond girl sits, bound to a chair and gets her head blown away - it's (a good) fake.

** Perhaps Battle Royal is a good example ? I certainly enjoyed it :)
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12 Comment(s)

StormGuy85

StormGuy85

Manhunt was a crappy game -- period. It had nothing to do with the gore, it was just a poorly made and not-very-fun game. Why it's getting all this press is beyond me. The game deserves to be in the bargain bins, not in the news.
Manhunt was a crappy game -- period. It had nothing to do with the gore, it was just a poorly made and not-very-fun game. Why it's getting all this press is beyond me. The game deserves to be in the bargain bins, not in the news.
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Posted on 03:21, August 06th 2004
DoubleD

DoubleD

Hmm, your comment reminds me of something StormGuy85...

For the record: I forgot to mention anywhere that I did not play Manhunt - I only saw ingame footage of it.
Hmm, your comment reminds me of something StormGuy85... For the record: I forgot to mention anywhere that I did not play Manhunt - I only saw ingame footage of it.
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Posted on 07:48, August 06th 2004
Enigma

Enigma

battle royale is also set in a very interesting story/concept :)
battle royale is also set in a very interesting story/concept :)
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Posted on 10:28, August 06th 2004
BillieTurf

BillieTurf

This is really getting on my nerves. Everybody is talking about how violence influences gamers. Yeah wright, me and me friends played Action Quake, Q3, CS, nfs, mortal combat and loads of other games for hours every evening. Hell man I even got a fear attack when I have to get my school results. How stupid can one be to suppose playing videogames will make you want to do the samething in real life. I have just played Far Cry, ooh come on guys lets get together in the woods, bring our fathers rifles and start shooting each other. Yeah fucking right, like as if that is going to EVER happen.
This is really getting on my nerves. Everybody is talking about how violence influences gamers. Yeah wright, me and me friends played Action Quake, Q3, CS, nfs, mortal combat and loads of other games for hours every evening. Hell man I even got a fear attack when I have to get my school results. How stupid can one be to suppose playing videogames will make you want to do the samething in real life. I have just played Far Cry, ooh come on guys lets get together in the woods, bring our fathers rifles and start shooting each other. Yeah fucking right, like as if that is going to EVER happen.
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Posted on 11:14, August 06th 2004
Zembla (old)

Zembla (old)

Mmmmm, it's a little shortsighted to presume everybody reacts to violence the same way. I could understand that some people at least would see it as an example. I don't mind violence in games, gore, or anything, but I do mind if it's there for no reason, or if its there as the main subject of the game. A game is a mean of entertainment, if people like to shoot up virtual characters so be it, but it's bullshit to say that when they DO actually enjoy such games it shows nothing about their psyche. On the other hand, keeping violence in games might be a good way to canalise alot of the anger the youth has. If somebody shoots up a character in Manhunt nobody would care, but if he did in real life... There are only rare exceptions that can't get the full satisfaction of the in-game violence and therefore resort to real life violence...

Guess I've got a two-sided opinion. Just don't like the automated unnuanced responses like the one above, there's no point in closing your eyes for the fact that the violence influences people, the question should be if the effect is positive or negative...

BTW, the games you describe can hardly be called violent.
Mmmmm, it's a little shortsighted to presume everybody reacts to violence the same way. I could understand that some people at least would see it as an example. I don't mind violence in games, gore, or anything, but I do mind if it's there for no reason, or if its there as the main subject of the game. A game is a mean of entertainment, if people like to shoot up virtual characters so be it, but it's bullshit to say that when they DO actually enjoy such games it shows nothing about their psyche. On the other hand, keeping violence in games might be a good way to canalise alot of the anger the youth has. If somebody shoots up a character in Manhunt nobody would care, but if he did in real life... There are only rare exceptions that can't get the full satisfaction of the in-game violence and therefore resort to real life violence... Guess I've got a two-sided opinion. Just don't like the automated unnuanced responses like the one above, there's no point in closing your eyes for the fact that the violence influences people, the question should be if the effect is positive or negative... BTW, the games you describe can hardly be called violent.
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Posted on 12:11, August 06th 2004
MonkeyManUK

MonkeyManUK

Oh yes i have to definatly agree with BilleTurf. Games (violent one's) i belive have absolutley no influence on a person helping or giving idea's about how to commit a offence, regardless of whether its gore fest,clubbing hackin 'n' slashing,Car thieving, Any crime for that matter. It would take something very different inside someones head in order for them to even seriously contemplate , let alone actually commit theses crimes. which they claim ("It was my game" , It made me do it..The system requirments where 1.5mhz 256ram Direct X9 Video card and a mindless plum willing to carry out a "WHAT I SEE I MUST DO" exercise.! Really..
And lets really dig it in why we're here..Now dont get me wrong guys i love a good FPS who doesn't. But when particular Goverments fund software houses to create games that so obviously are there to make "SOFA-SOLDIERS" , or at least give half the playing population a clue how to exactly use a M16 , Hand grenade and so forth..Really is it a case of one rule for one and one for another..Bollux i say..Its the childs/adults upbringing that have the profound affect on that child/adults future and what they do. Thats it im calm now.. Also why are there no land mines in Barbies horse Adventure!!! Taitlers :-)
Oh yes i have to definatly agree with BilleTurf. Games (violent one's) i belive have absolutley no influence on a person helping or giving idea's about how to commit a offence, regardless of whether its gore fest,clubbing hackin 'n' slashing,Car thieving, Any crime for that matter. It would take something very different inside someones head in order for them to even seriously contemplate , let alone actually commit theses crimes. which they claim ("It was my game" , It made me do it..The system requirments where 1.5mhz 256ram Direct X9 Video card and a mindless plum willing to carry out a "WHAT I SEE I MUST DO" exercise.! Really.. And lets really dig it in why we're here..Now dont get me wrong guys i love a good FPS who doesn't. But when particular Goverments fund software houses to create games that so obviously are there to make "SOFA-SOLDIERS" , or at least give half the playing population a clue how to exactly use a M16 , Hand grenade and so forth..Really is it a case of one rule for one and one for another..Bollux i say..Its the childs/adults upbringing that have the profound affect on that child/adults future and what they do. Thats it im calm now.. Also why are there no land mines in Barbies horse Adventure!!! Taitlers :-)
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Posted on 12:22, August 06th 2004
Phantom

Phantom

Battle Royale is a very bad example, as it's more a critique on a possible future society and a character study about how different people react in an extreme environment than just a movie about blood and gore. Horror movies come much closer to that actually. Some extreme horror movies are actually pretty close to what a snuff movie would show you, with the only difference that it's fake. I'd compare some horror movies to Manhunt, not Battle Royale. :)
Battle Royale is a very bad example, as it's more a critique on a possible future society and a character study about how different people react in an extreme environment than just a movie about blood and gore. Horror movies come much closer to that actually. Some extreme horror movies are actually pretty close to what a snuff movie would show you, with the only difference that it's fake. I'd compare some horror movies to Manhunt, not Battle Royale. :)
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Posted on 13:49, August 06th 2004
BillieTurf

BillieTurf

The Cannibal Holocaust is an ideal example. The creators have been in jail for making it. It is full of cutting of dicks, raping woman with ... (not just a knife) and killing animals. The reason why they went to jail is that they killed the animals for real and in a very cruel way. However, this movie player from nine to eleven on an ordinary TV channel that everyone can access. It was rated 16 but so is a heroic soft movie with Van Damme. Who the hell makes the rules must have got no clue about what he is talking about. It is all politics I tell you! It ought to be up to parents to explain why they are to young to see certain stuff and tell them to wait a few years. Who else could decide better what their kid can take and what he is capable of, indeed a parent for his children individually. No lazy government bureaucrat could assist them with it.
The Cannibal Holocaust is an ideal example. The creators have been in jail for making it. It is full of cutting of dicks, raping woman with ... (not just a knife) and killing animals. The reason why they went to jail is that they killed the animals for real and in a very cruel way. However, this movie player from nine to eleven on an ordinary TV channel that everyone can access. It was rated 16 but so is a heroic soft movie with Van Damme. Who the hell makes the rules must have got no clue about what he is talking about. It is all politics I tell you! It ought to be up to parents to explain why they are to young to see certain stuff and tell them to wait a few years. Who else could decide better what their kid can take and what he is capable of, indeed a parent for his children individually. No lazy government bureaucrat could assist them with it.
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Posted on 14:01, August 06th 2004
Speed

Speed

Why look so far ? Let's take a more known and popular example: Friday the 13th ! Jason X has only one thing in the movie: killing people in a way that's as original as possible ! Even the creators of the movie agree to that. I never heard anyone about banning Jason X though... (or horror/spatter movies for that matter)
Why look so far ? Let's take a more known and popular example: Friday the 13th ! Jason X has only one thing in the movie: killing people in a way that's as original as possible ! Even the creators of the movie agree to that. I never heard anyone about banning Jason X though... (or horror/spatter movies for that matter)
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Posted on 15:49, August 06th 2004
Enigma

Enigma

It's all frustration over how their kid can beat them at something even though they're 20 years older.
It's all frustration over how their kid can beat them at something even though they're 20 years older.
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Posted on 22:39, August 06th 2004
Zembla (old)

Zembla (old)

I never heard anyone about banning Jason X though... (or horror/spatter movies for that matter)


You haven't? :o

No seriously though, there's just as much fuzz about horror/action movies as there is about horror/action games. We just don't find bout that because I guess we're busier with gaming than with the movie industry? :)
[quote] I never heard anyone about banning Jason X though... (or horror/spatter movies for that matter)[/quote] You haven't? :o No seriously though, there's just as much fuzz about horror/action movies as there is about horror/action games. We just don't find bout that because I guess we're busier with gaming than with the movie industry? :)
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Posted on 14:38, August 07th 2004
slyoldfox

slyoldfox

*spanks* everyone
*spanks* everyone
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